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Welcome to Know the Rules of the GameⓇ Podcast for Leadership Through Turbulent Times with your host Desiree Patno, CEO & President of NAWRB, and special guests Noel Massie, Author, Speaker and Retired UPS Vice President of U.S. Operations, and Kellie Aamodt, Board Member of Marine Research and Exploration (MARE), NAWRB Diversity & Inclusion Leadership Council(NDILC) Member and Retired UPS Vice President of Corporate Inside Sales. “The amount of ‘Times’ your people will support a lack of clarity, poor communication and you leading from a distance? NONE TIMES!,” states Noel Massie. Listen here:https://www.nawrb.com/podcast/